It may be time to create a freestanding alternative “ACIP” to serve as a trustworthy source for vaccine information for the next four years. Perhaps some of the 17 former members would be willing to undertake this.
It’s not maybe! The ACIP has shown independence by writing this article and the obvious next step is to organize a well respected qualified “shadow” advisory body to publicly make recommendations. That way the public and industry will have documented transparent vaccine information that is not beholden to politics.
True. ACIP recommendations are CRUCIAL to clinicians to guide their decisions as to whom gets the vaccines and to insurance companies because they follow ACIP recommendations in deciding which vaccines are covered by insurance. This won't hit home for most Americans until their usual free vaccines are extremely costly and they will wonder why. THIS is the reason!!!
Could a state government (e.g, California, Pennsylvania, Washington - to name 3 with top notch medical research facilities) fund and be a home for such an agency? Could a coalition of states?
Could a state demand all the records, notes, and other documentation from the Federal government since the Federal government isn't doing this work anymore?
The short answer to the first question is NO! NO state or even coalition of states has the financial resources (ie money!) that NIH and public health agencies like CDC and FDA receive through our federal tax dollars that are first approved by Congress. BILLIONS of dollars of research grants have been terminated! NO state can replace that sort of money and I doubt the IVYS like Harvard are willing to to do it.
Fearful of the coming waves of illness, hospitalization and death. Please, state governments fund university and private research companies to temporarily take over the responsibility abdicated by the federal government. This, only this, will have the imprimatur of the legitimate science necessary for insurers — and our continued health.
NO state government has the necessary resources ie MONEY to even temporarily fund the necessary research. I don't see any state taking on the responsibility and forming a "shadow" ACIP.... although that would provide some leadership and vaccine guidance which is desperately needed!
As much as capitalism generally harms medicine I hope this is one of the times it helps. Vaccine manufacturers are not going to want a decrease in sales, hopefully they can apply some pressure and minimize the harm. The pressure from the farm and hospitality lobbies have changed the direction of ICE enforcement...for now.
That’s exactly what I have been thinking about. Trump‘s not gonna turn his back on big Pharma. Unless they didn’t bribe him enough.
What are they gonna sell to the public starting in September October?
Prices are gonna plummet. I read somewhere that all of this is pushback is because we made them get a shot and made them wear a mask and they’re all butt hurt. So this is their revenge. they think that they’re above dying from these diseases and can afford to pay high prices for the vaccinations that they need (secretly) they don’t give a damn if we all die. Not even their own people in those red states, they don’t give a damn. Anyone who voted RFK into office doesn’t give a damn!!
America you are fucked, not only is your president hated by the world, but your medical accomplishments are now in the toilet. Your political representatives are being attached and your immigration policy is being destroyed by ICE and racism is winning. The people have spoken “no king” you need to win this one before Trump and his minions destroy your country.
As a brand new Grandmother I’m terrified. We have become a country of fools. I’m hoping there’s some light at the end of this dark tunnel. Thank you for the information Dr. Rubin. At least you’re one medical professional that will speak the truth to these superstitious cavemen.
Sad that the next epidemic may be the only way to convince this administration how wrong they are. Sad because the lives that will be lost will not be all maga. The collateral damge will be immense. It kind of feels like we are living in the beginning explanation of a horror flick. Our insurance is going to sky rocket.
Medical malpractice on a national scale should be condemned by everyone. This carnival barker selling us phony medical information via a clown car of incompetents should be sued by the American people for the collective medical trauma being inflicted upon the country.
RFKJr needs to be removed from the HHS position. What he is doing is the opposite of what he stated he would not do in the hearings. Why isn't he being sued by all concerned government and experts in this field of work to stop him before the deaths he will cause could definitely outnumber Trump's 400,000 Covid Deaths while he was the Oval office.
It may be time to create a freestanding alternative “ACIP” to serve as a trustworthy source for vaccine information for the next four years. Perhaps some of the 17 former members would be willing to undertake this.
It’s not maybe! The ACIP has shown independence by writing this article and the obvious next step is to organize a well respected qualified “shadow” advisory body to publicly make recommendations. That way the public and industry will have documented transparent vaccine information that is not beholden to politics.
Agree. But they probably won't be able to affect insurability of vaccines unless insurers step up on their own and support them.
True. ACIP recommendations are CRUCIAL to clinicians to guide their decisions as to whom gets the vaccines and to insurance companies because they follow ACIP recommendations in deciding which vaccines are covered by insurance. This won't hit home for most Americans until their usual free vaccines are extremely costly and they will wonder why. THIS is the reason!!!
I worry that they may not even be available or they will make less vaccine and there will be shortages.
That is another possibility….. sadly!
Or how about jail?
Sounds like a plan!
Could a state government (e.g, California, Pennsylvania, Washington - to name 3 with top notch medical research facilities) fund and be a home for such an agency? Could a coalition of states?
Could a state demand all the records, notes, and other documentation from the Federal government since the Federal government isn't doing this work anymore?
The short answer to the first question is NO! NO state or even coalition of states has the financial resources (ie money!) that NIH and public health agencies like CDC and FDA receive through our federal tax dollars that are first approved by Congress. BILLIONS of dollars of research grants have been terminated! NO state can replace that sort of money and I doubt the IVYS like Harvard are willing to to do it.
@carolmcree - Thank you. I was thinking of ACIP as a 17-person organization But of course they depend on the larger data and research from NIH etc.
Fearful of the coming waves of illness, hospitalization and death. Please, state governments fund university and private research companies to temporarily take over the responsibility abdicated by the federal government. This, only this, will have the imprimatur of the legitimate science necessary for insurers — and our continued health.
NO state government has the necessary resources ie MONEY to even temporarily fund the necessary research. I don't see any state taking on the responsibility and forming a "shadow" ACIP.... although that would provide some leadership and vaccine guidance which is desperately needed!
As much as capitalism generally harms medicine I hope this is one of the times it helps. Vaccine manufacturers are not going to want a decrease in sales, hopefully they can apply some pressure and minimize the harm. The pressure from the farm and hospitality lobbies have changed the direction of ICE enforcement...for now.
Mandy, MSN, RN
That’s exactly what I have been thinking about. Trump‘s not gonna turn his back on big Pharma. Unless they didn’t bribe him enough.
What are they gonna sell to the public starting in September October?
Prices are gonna plummet. I read somewhere that all of this is pushback is because we made them get a shot and made them wear a mask and they’re all butt hurt. So this is their revenge. they think that they’re above dying from these diseases and can afford to pay high prices for the vaccinations that they need (secretly) they don’t give a damn if we all die. Not even their own people in those red states, they don’t give a damn. Anyone who voted RFK into office doesn’t give a damn!!
Well that is a frightening group leading our country for vaccine information and guidance. I hope we can come out of this undamaged.
Thank you for your stewardship. It means a lot.
America you are fucked, not only is your president hated by the world, but your medical accomplishments are now in the toilet. Your political representatives are being attached and your immigration policy is being destroyed by ICE and racism is winning. The people have spoken “no king” you need to win this one before Trump and his minions destroy your country.
Thanks for this information. I am so terrified of the harm this administration continues to do.
As a brand new Grandmother I’m terrified. We have become a country of fools. I’m hoping there’s some light at the end of this dark tunnel. Thank you for the information Dr. Rubin. At least you’re one medical professional that will speak the truth to these superstitious cavemen.
Sad that the next epidemic may be the only way to convince this administration how wrong they are. Sad because the lives that will be lost will not be all maga. The collateral damge will be immense. It kind of feels like we are living in the beginning explanation of a horror flick. Our insurance is going to sky rocket.
Thank you for bringing all this information together in one location.
Medical malpractice on a national scale should be condemned by everyone. This carnival barker selling us phony medical information via a clown car of incompetents should be sued by the American people for the collective medical trauma being inflicted upon the country.
RFK Jr the BIGGEST Quack around
The list of new ACIP committee members would be laughable if it wasn’t true 🤯
The politicians who put this charlatan in office are just as culpable as he is of broad harm to the American public. Deaths will follow.
He’s an idiot that’s going to cause people to die.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
RFKJr needs to be removed from the HHS position. What he is doing is the opposite of what he stated he would not do in the hearings. Why isn't he being sued by all concerned government and experts in this field of work to stop him before the deaths he will cause could definitely outnumber Trump's 400,000 Covid Deaths while he was the Oval office.
Time for a protest focusing on this asshole
The good news… 🇺🇸😎
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/life-expectancy-lower-trump-voters-n694421